Hive nuance and the same old Song

in #hive10 days ago

I’m having a conversation with my older brother about the social nuance that is Hive. The truth is, for most of us who remain all these years later, this complexity is probably what keeps us here. But I’m also well aware it doesn’t suit everyone.

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In fact, I often find myself explaining to people that the social nuance of Hive isn’t that different from “real life,” so to speak. Most of the time in life, it’s not only about what you know, but who you know. And sadly, I admit, sometimes the who outweighs everything else.

We may be upset about this reality—I certainly can be. But the truth is we can’t really change that human bug (or feature, depending on who you ask).

I like to think I operate in reality, and I recognized the similarities quite early too. Of course, I’m human. I’m flawed. I’ve made mistakes here as well. But then again, haven’t we all in real life?

A friend called me today, and we ended up talking again about Hive’s retention challenge. Because yes—it is a challenge. Keeping people here and engaged is the formula none of us have cracked. Yet we old dogs keep trying. Sadly, nothing he said was new to me: content discovery, the loss of hype, the whale circle-jerking… absolutely nothing.

Sometimes when I hear or read people complain about Hive and its distribution, I feel like I’m watching Groundhog Day for the 100th time. I haven’t heard a fresh insight in a while, and I doubt I will anytime soon.

The thing is, we can’t have it both ways. We can’t demand full control over our online footprint, free from algorithms that manipulate us, and at the same time be angry our posts aren’t magically served to consumers. Upset that the feed isn’t showing our writing to whales with big upvotes. Those two ideas, my friends, are as incompatible as Britney Spears in a silent retreat for inner soul-searching.

Again, I’ll admit that social nuance is complex. That our ideas of merit exist within a scope. I’ll admit even us old dogs can’t agree on solutions. I’ll admit it all. But here’s the kicker: I don’t want to hear the same things over and over.

If you want to contribute with solid ideas—or better yet, implement them—then I’m here for it. I’ll support you if I can. If you want to complain and sing the same tired song I’ve been hearing for eight years, I’ll be a friend and listen. But don’t expect me to sing along with you.

MenO

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I came to say the same thing as @keithtaylor, I'd been mulling it over after reading @curatorcat's post here.

Hive isn't any different from any other digital or material community. They all have a head of active people who learn and recreate the habitus of the community, and then a very very long tail of people who are progressively less or hardly engaged, depending on how willing or able they are to learn how the community works, and who either lurk or disappear. Like material communities, it's about humans and relationships, not technology and transactions.

The amount of creative energy that is lost to whining: about downvotes, lack of votes, onboarding, retention, price is phenomenal. I find it a drain and I try and not be around those people - stick with people with ideas, energy, who are doing something. But I guess I should accept it as part of the rich tapestry of communities and part of the background. I don't have to pay any attention to it 😂


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I often wonder what makes me use Hive daily. When the problems that you outline irritate me hourly. Then you nailed it when I reread your opening paragraph.

this complexity is probably what keeps us here. But I’m also well aware it doesn’t suit everyone.

I'm attracted to Hive because of its complexity. Simple shit doled out on modern social media bores me to tears. And it's in my DNA.

When most of my generation were obsessed with the Top 20, I was checking the new album releases. And forgive the UK references. But while they watched Top of the Pops and adored the daytime radio DJs, I was watching The Old Grey Whistle Test or listening to John Peel.

In fact anything offbeat attracts me. Which is invariably more complex than the norm. But who wants to be normal?

Hive Retention Rate

I realised something about retention rates when I ran online forums. Many forum contributors wanted simple answers to complex questions. And most didn't know what they wanted. So the vast majority of them went to the trouble of registering. Then never posted. Or just posted once and never responded to their replies.

Almost as many were only there for self promotion. So I often felt like giving up. But 1 in 1,000 people would engage with replies to their posts. 1 in 10,000 would become regular contributors. And 1 in 100,000 became super fans. People who I came to rely on to provide genuine support to members seeking help.

Hive Humanity

Along the way, differences of opinion might cause concern. But that's the same in any passionate group of people. Many will avoid the group to avoid making effort. Losing out on unique moments of Hive Humanity

So let's celebrate the rich complexity of our communities. As measured by the expected low retention rates. Because dumbing down to attract more quick buck seekers is not the Hive way. In my humble opinion.

!BBH

P.S. MenO, I promise to stop moaning about down voting. Instead, I will celebrate its controversial contributions to our rich, complex Hive culture.

When the problems that you outline irritate me hourly

This is so interesting. It hardly bothers me at all. I feel I'm on a great adventure, learning how it works and how to make it work better.

You are absolutely right. And I should have put 'irritate' in the past tense.

I've been thinking long and hard recently about this. And I only reached the conclusion this week that my real problem is me! Because the strengths of this platform far outweigh a few flaws. Especially now I've realised that those 'flaws' are really just part of humanity.

From now on, I'm going to enjoy my commenting, start to post more (couldn't be less!), and just have fun.

!BBH

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The main problem is that people have disproportionally high expectations when coming here, just posting a few shitposts and making bank. Truth is that you have to grind hard, at the beginning none will probably even see your posts, but you have to keep going. It’s like going to the gym expecting to become Arnold Schwarzenegger after a couple of half an hour sessions, never gonna happen.

So true. And therefore the money making aspect should not be too much in the focus. Rather that we own the data and nobody can shadowban us, that is the unique feature.

Nothing will change. Look at the Hivefests. The guys there are celebrating themselves what great Apps and frontends they develop, but a serious open discussion about the problems and how to solve them you won´t find on the agenda!

very soon a few of us are going to make a big political push for change. Respectfully demand that we change how we run DHF, and specifically value plan. Not to make enemies, of course, but to ensure the long term survival of this chain of ours.

I trust you will join then?

You'll know when it happens.

Most likely I would.

I will be contributing to Hive as much as I can for years to come. It’s almost a habit as this point haha

What to do with one's thoughts, right?

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