RE: Hivewatcher drama and the death of hive ?

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RE: Hivewatcher drama and the death of hive ?

valued-customer in The City of Neoxian • 6 months ago

introducing a watchdog group.

Perhaps this is what has been lacking to date. Freezepeach attempted to counter flags flown unfairly, but was not funded nominally and has lapsed. The money is in the scam, not countering the scam, so this is an uphill battle that must rely on people, not money. The vast majority of the community of Hive isn't in favor of whimsical blacklisting, but is also not very aware of it, as only the followers and those blacklisted are directly impacted.

In the event this is done, and I am capable (which is presently not predictable) I will be extremely interested in making it happen. I share your understanding of the potential of Hive to enable communities to govern themselves, the DV has rendered moot.

https://peakd.com/hive/@khrom/why-downvotes-contradict-decentralization-a-mathematical-perspective

Keep me posted please. If I can remain online I will be attentive.

6 months ago in The City of Neoxian by valued-customer

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bitcoinman 6 months ago

You are not wrong the only issue is the scam is not sustainable, and without a serious technical and social overhaul even with the greatest onboarding push all it could do is drive the value up and buy some time but overall the model is flawed. I coined a term for something that Dan created called a masked legitimacy pyramid scheme I can't say for certain if it started with bitshares but there is no plausible deniability with his future project steemit and then eos, same flawed template just slapped on a new concept, the scheme is elaborate but not rocket science, Dan exited scam offloading to that rich dummy Justin, steemits elites saw an opportunity to get more control and here we are.

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valued-customer 6 months ago (edited)

a serious technical and social overhaul

It is much less complex than implied. There are key features necessary to control Hive: plutocracy and DV's. Unless I am missing something (which wouldn't surprise me) that's the fundamental control mechanism that prevents Hive from being a truly decentralized social platform that enables communities to use it to govern themselves. Enabling stake weight to completely control governance by controlling which code is run, by controlling which witnesses run it, is the reason DV's are used to suppress growth, the reason DV's enable whales to capture >90% of the inflation from the rewards pool, and the reason that DV's functionally censor speech whales don't like. The current cabal that controls Hive has to suppress growth because their stake is lunch money to IRL investors seeking growth. Sun Yuchen purchased Steemit, Inc. with a mere few $m's. The suppression of growth eliminates interest of billionaires that could capture Hive exactly as Sun Yuchen captured Steem.

Correct me if I'm wrong, please.

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bitcoinman 6 months ago

Fairly spot on, but like I said the underlying foundation that hive inherited is not sustainable most steem whales understood this and just pushed this narrative of fighting centralization, and to be fair hive is slightly more decentlaized then steem but it's still not decentlaized, whole thing is a mess , we go various nodes that are needed to make a robust and decentlaized network but we are only rewarding the witnesses nodes, next to impossible to claim incompetence here unfortunately things looking far more sinister

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