I thought that I already tipped !ALIVE 10 times yesterday (UTC), but the ALIVE token tipping bot's most recent daily report said that I successfully tipped only 3 times. 💸🤯 I wonder if there are any restrictions placed on ALIVE token tipping I am not yet aware of, or if there is some technical issue with the ALIVE bot !INDEED. 🤯🤓
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Hey @savvyplayer — I checked the logs, and the report is actually correct: 3 tips is what really went out. Here's what happened. Yesterday you tipped @tydynrain about 8 times in a row. The bot has an anti-spam rule: you can only tip the same person once every 10 minutes (and only a few times per day to the same person). So 3 of your tips to tydynrain went through, and the other ~5 were blocked by that cooldown — they never became actual ALIVE transfers, which is why the daily report (which counts tips actually sent) shows 3.
It's not the report being wrong — it's the spam-protection doing its job. If you tip different people, every one counts (up to your daily limit of 10+).
I am considering to lower this down from the 10minutes, as I know that if you do your replies in batch, like I often do myself, you easily hit these walls…
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Small update, working on implementing a trust based anti spam limit. The more of the tokens you own, the more trust = the lower the walls
Thanks a lot for your quick response, and the info, brother! I like that idea! 😁🙏💚✨🤙
Though you'd like it ;-) And it makes things better for the loyal users, while still keeping us safe from spammers and harvesters! ;-)
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While I can Power Up more ALIVE to reach a higher ALIVE tipping tier (and have more relaxed limits) by selling my other #HiveEngine tokens, I would have a hard time explaining to other ALIVE token tippers that restrictions are in place "to reduce tipping spamming/farming". 🙁🤯
I certainly understand that. It was originally put in place because some notable 'spam fighters' contacted us to ask us to counter the spam use of our bots. This mostly happened with the MMB bots, but Bjorn implemented the same thing for ALIVE too, just to be on the safe side, since there's enough downvoting occurring. 😁🙏💚✨🤙
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It's nice to be informed that some people spam and farm Hive token tipping bots such that their respective owners would put protective measures in place, but it's no longer nice when people flag token tipping bots' respective Hive accounts. 🧘♂️🤯
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I agree, but action simply had to be taken against some of these spammers/harvesters. At some point there were thousands and tenthousands of tips per hour going through a whole carefully set up network only meant (and the only activity on the accounts) for tip-harvesting. It created a lot of spam on the blockchain, and a drain of resources.
A tried my best at that time to make sure that we could stop it, which we did. And since your question now is the first remark that came in after it being in production for over a year, I think it wasn't done that bad ;-)
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Perhaps you may want to use what other people on Hive do to make their bots resistant to spammers, such as @kenny-crane implementing a restriction on his #tokenfaucet giveaway bot where only Hive accounts that have more than 50 Reputation and are not blacklisted elsewhere on Hive can participate !INDEED. 🤔
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Thanks for the tip! Looking into the possibilities of implementing something similar, to aid or replace the current system.
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Implemented as we speak ;-) And as such, lowering the other guards a bit!
Do keep the gate of reputation of 35 instead of 50, to allow for newer accounts to join the tipping fun as well.
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Because of that update, I would have a much more difficult time to tip all 10 !ALIVE tokens (especially without any token tipping attempt failing). 💸🤯 It would be completely okay though if there is a fixed limit for tipping a given Hive account per day (let's say 5 or even 3 which your and @borniet's MMB-based tipping tokens already have), because I can publish 3 to 5 comments and not just 1 comment within a given 600-second period. 🤯🤓
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I understand. I wasn't keeping close track of the tipping limits, since I rarely seemed to have issues. The spammers and the farmers are the ones that we we asked to restrict. 😁🙏💚✨🤙
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For that, perhaps you, @borniet, and the other (core) team members of the #YouAreAlive Hive tribe can have a blacklist for !ALIVE token tipping where any account can be reported by using a bot command (such as !report), such that you can add (or remove) Hive accounts from such blacklist without touching code. 🧘♂️
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We do actually have a black/ignore list, but I rather like the idea about a !report call. I'm wondering whether the assessment of the !report calls would be done manually or if it could be automated. 😁🙏💚✨🤙
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It can be automated only for #YouAreAlive (core) team members, and manually approved for the rest of reporters !INDEED. 🤓
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We have such blacklist, but it is currently manually curated (outside the code, and bot-specific ;-) ).
I am not too eager to allow a simple command from anyone to blacklist another user, it would need a little more than just that for it to be fair and effective.
But we do welcome you and every other tippingbot user to let us know who is abusing the system so we can blacklist them from tipping, or any use of the bot at all (less relevant now as it was in the past).
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The !report command (or something similar) should be accepted by your ALIVE token tipping bot only from (core) team members of your #YouAreAlive tribe as stated on my previous comment, not by any Hive account (even if they are ALIVE holders) !INDEED. 🤓 After that, you can manually whitelist ALIVE tribe supporters to use the report command even if they are not ALIVE team members. 🖖😏
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I know that you want to minimize the effect of unwanted tipping of your (and @tydynrain's) Hive tipping tokens (the ALIVE token in this case), though I really think that it harms more legitimate tippers, since "spammers and farmers" will just find other ways to take unfair advantage of such tipping tokens !INDEED. 🙁🤯
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I've updated a large part of the anti-spamming measures, so it should not hurt real users anymore. Let's see how this plays out now, and adjust more if needed.
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I !HOPE that more than 99% of legitimate users won't get affected by anti-spam measures for (token tipping) bots, and the majority of the rest which is 1% can easily do something to avoid getting filtered for legitimate use !INDEED. 🧘♂️
Anyway, your LOLZ token tipping command on your comment didn't work because it has been 8 days since the LOLZ token tipping bot did not work. 🤯🤓
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The idea is indeed that even more than 99% of the legit users will not be affected, and I think we're pretty close to that, and even closer with the latest update.
Didn't know about the lolz bot, hope they get it online again soon!
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I'm completely okay with the same Hive account receiving only a limited number of tips per token per day (UTC) which your and @tydynrain's !IDD, !HOP, !WRD, !MMB, and other tokens already have, but not a (600-second cooldown) timer for tipping any token (the !ALIVE token in this case) any given Hive account because it's very hard to keep track of. 🤯🙁💸
!INDEED ! So I've changed that now ;-)
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I don't know what you changed on your !ALIVE token tipping bot, though I assume that it's a good change !INDEED. 🤔 I just !HOPE that whenever I try to tip ALIVE 10 times a day (UTC), all of them would be successful! 🤗
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That is absolutely the goal ;-)
So I am very glad that you mentioned the fact that it didn't work as expected for you, as that allowed us to tune further.
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I don't like hitting "spam limits" in general, unless @savvytester "tests the limits" of any app or bot that they test !INDEED. 🧘♂️🤓
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I didn't know about such "anti-spam" rule for the !ALIVE token tipping bot where the same Hive account can't be tipped within a given 600-second period of time, and that there is a limit on how many times the same Hive account can be tipped per day (UTC). 🤯 If there was an official post about that restriction, I really didn't see it. 🤯🤯
I used to be able to tip all 10 ALIVE tips at least a year ago !INDEED. 🖖🤓
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Hrmmm...odd. There aren't any particular restrictions of which I'm aware, so it might have been bot hiccups. We should ask @borniet about it. 😁🙏💚✨🤙
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It looks like such restrictions for ALIVE token tipping which you weren't aware of made more or less half of your !ALIVE token tipping attempts fail. 🖖💸🤯
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Yep, I wasn't paying attention to the anti-spam restrictions on our own tokens. Oh well. 😁🙏💚✨🤙
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It really looks like you could use more communication with Bjorn (and the other core team members of the #WeAreAlive tribe)! 🖖😅
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Indeed. Most people have been super busy, so they've barely been around. Bjorn only recently popped back up in a regular way a short time ago, and we haven't talked about the anti-spam measures in quite a long time, so it slipped my mind. 😁🙏💚✨🤙
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Let's hope that Bjorn being active again here on Hive would last a long(er) time! 🤗
Being able to tip !MMB tokens now is !FUN. 😏
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That is very much my hope indeed.
Good, I'm glad to hear that. I'm glad he finally took it out of testing. 😁🙏💚✨🤙
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